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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea lol, for arach to be good you need to survive first.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, id say if you were lvl 500 and were a pure health build, we could easily take them, because all we would have to do is arach them and kill off the one's that escape.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont think arach will work once activated.
Warrior/squire ignores it with rush of steel, and there is this thief boyz than will just DF the demon to death.

Only chance against famous = a bunch (10 or more) lvl 600+ of Unfo guys. Thats it. And OFC a rlly good strategy other than rush in and kill w/e is in front of u.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can a squire not activate arach? How can bboyz DF me to death while not activating arach? Assuming I have the health to survive (which I do not atm), I would think that arach would annoy them enough to frustrate their purpose there. I just want to annoy them long enough to allow others to spawn and help me out.

I need more health, maybe 10k+ for this to work.....I am under 5k atm and less than 3k dp. means I would get owned...and fast. Does bboy and others have substantial avoidance and small amount of health? Pray they wear all dmg/avoid gear and I could debuff them. I have gear to hit them, even with high avoidance, so I hope it works. The key, as stated above, is me surviving.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jim, i went to last siege wearing dp gear. I had around 8k dp on and more than 6k+ health with bless ofc.
Myst came in and got me in 4 hits (i could see a crit activating on the last hit). Although i dont have avoid at all, i should have lasted longer than that. I was frustrated, thought i had good gear...

My only explanation to this might be that Myst (and possibly others idk) is using some dp ignore gear.
Im not sure anymore if dp is good agains famous as i remember going with hp gear and doing way better, and it was sw attack not even defense.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatherjim32 wrote:
How can a squire not activate arach? How can bboyz DF me to death while not activating arach? ...


i meant once arach is activated on those classes jim.
Squire/warrior can move through arach with rush of steel, and a thief could still attack, same as archers (myst).
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

arach would do nothing lol.
it will be the same as before just that an amount on both sides will be trapped.
i dont really see the difference.
and wait... gl being trapped beside adam or mystique
also why will arach help us? do they run away? is that why we need to stop them still? all i see in sw is adam staying still spamming doi on everyone. arach will just work as a carpet so the guild hall isnt stained in blood lol

all we need is to be able to kill them, debuffs could be handy but we need a necro that doesnt die with 1 hit from a 710 char

cold, on my priest i have 10k hp 7k dp.
mystique does 160 CA dmg (dunno glider)
and adam does 100x10
tobi does 120 with fams
and bboy 60x9
the only thing that saves me is that 90% of their attacks are blocked

tamers should go avoid, no matter how much hp dp you have you will always get hit much, you got no defensive skills or block.
if you are pure health its another thing.
well ofc avoid wont work either cause they are 200 lvls higher.
we just need to lvl up and get nice stuff.
how much health do you have? (stat)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually guys I was talking to mysterio and he told me that my best chance as a mage is to get as much hp as I can, he said if you have like 12k hp you will never die as long as you have cp, even with all our attacks, so yah according to mysterio the key to us surviving is mad hp, he said avoidance and defense builds will not help much because of the gear they use. And the purpose of arach is to hold the chars we can with it, obviously mages and squires can get through it, but if a really high hp/dp necro is using arach and full heal pots then no, adam and bboy wont kill him, but yes overall I agree, we all need to get to lvl 650, like 12 of us that are 500+ need to get to 650 asap, that means training every time there is an exp event. Making sure you never miss sd's, but I have to be honest, I find my 580 set's to be worse then my 490 sets which pisses me off alot, I felt like I survived easier with the 490 sets... So I guess ill wait it out until my 650 sets =(
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, not knowing whether arach will help or not, I guess it will nto be too helpful. (tbh, I am just naive bcause I never used a demon at higher lvls)I guess arach will work against a barrage of pets, to allow mage/Fallens to spam, but not against Famous. I will work on leveling and get HP+ gear. 91% neck, 88% head, 14% rings....but my health stat is low, less than 800 atm. I suppose I need my health stat to be closer to 2k which should give me 15k+ hp I suppose. By then, the 415 and higher necro Tsets have decent hp+ stats, so that might be nice.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Magik wrote:
Actually guys I was talking to mysterio and he told me that my best chance as a mage is to get as much hp as I can, he said if you have like 12k hp you will never die as long as you have cp, even with all our attacks, so yah according to mysterio the key to us surviving is mad hp, he said avoidance and defense builds will not help much because of the gear they use. And the purpose of arach is to hold the chars we can with it, obviously mages and squires can get through it, but if a really high hp/dp necro is using arach and full heal pots then no, adam and bboy wont kill him, but yes overall I agree, we all need to get to lvl 650, like 12 of us that are 500+ need to get to 650 asap, that means training every time there is an exp event. Making sure you never miss sd's, but I have to be honest, I find my 580 set's to be worse then my 490 sets which pisses me off alot, I felt like I survived easier with the 490 sets... So I guess ill wait it out until my 650 sets =(


thats for the instant heal.

if we have good mages that heal and good tanking chars we can ofc.
but the mage has to be good enough to not be teleporting away every 2 sec and spamming heal on himself, so he can be free to heal his pt.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nicolas wrote:
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all we need is to be able to kill them, debuffs could be handy but we need a necro that doesnt die with 1 hit from a 710 char

cold, on my priest i have 10k hp 7k dp.
mystique does 160 CA dmg (dunno glider)
and adam does 100x10
tobi does 120 with fams
and bboy 60x9
the only thing that saves me is that 90% of their attacks are blocked


dang...
thats the reason why i got owned that bad lol.
My tamer build rite now is mostly power nico, and 600+ health atm as i wanned to test that build (used to be full health in the old server, maybe rest to that build again after 640 just to gvg).
And i dont think avoid will help against famous, im sure they are using avoid ignore as well.

I am with magik in this:
Go hp all the way and get 650 lol, thats it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh they all use avoid ignore gear so we'll need a lot of hp gears. simply put lol not much you can do.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me wants a gvg pl0x xD
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